Macedonia: It’s not a joke!
February 25th, 2008 by HeatherHi there, it’s me again, Heather Roberson, co-author and protagonist of the graphic novel Macedonia: What does it Take to Stop a War?
I’d like to take a moment to address the several comments and e-mails I have received recently that resemble this one that landed in my email box a couple days ago:ethnic Macedonians??
is this a joke?
i come from greece
the northi part of greece
which is called macedonia
particularly i was born in serres town
my parents was born also there too
am i only greek or i am macedonian also?
I expect such comments. However, I did not expect the following incident:
A couple months ago, I was at the University of Chicago giving a lecture. There I visited a photography exhibit of Macedonian places of worship, taken by the historical preservationist, Pance Velkov.
I found the exhibit defaced. The introductory plaque, which originally read, “Pance Velkov, a Macedonian,” was scratched out and over it written, “Pance Velkov, a Slav.“ Where had been written “Republic of Macedonia,” was scratched out and, in its place, “F.Y.R.O.M.“ My friend sighed, “We have a lot of problems with Greek harassment here.”
A little background:
When Macedonia declared independence in the early 1990s, it named itself “Republic of Macedonia.” This was natural, considering that most of the people living there consider themselves to be Macedonians, had been living in the Republic of Macedonia as part of Yugoslavia, and had been engaged in a national struggle as Macedonians long before that.
However, the very idea of a “Republic of Macedonia” agitated Greece, which claimed that this represented an attempt to take over the historic region of Macedonia, much of which exists in modern-day Greece. (It remains unclear how Macedonia could pose a threat to Greece, with its robust military and its EU/NATO membership, but xenophobia is rarely based on logic, I find.)
There were also disputes over pan-Macedonian symbols that the new Republic of Macedonia seemed to be co-opting for its own exclusive use.
For instance, their first flag looked like this:

The Greeks argued that this flag, showing the Star of Vergina, which had been placed on the coffin of Philip the Macedon, was an affront to all things Hellenic and so held up EU recognition of Macedonia, saddled Macedonia with the unwieldy “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia” moniker that is currently used at the UN, and even levied, in 1994, a devastating economic blockade on Macedonia.
It lifted the blockade the next year, after Macedonia changed its flag to look like this:

But the arguing over Macedonia’s name continues, with Greece now offering up alternate names like “Republic of Upper Macedonia.”
And just as importantly, Greece has continually denied the existence and rights of its own Macedonian minority. If you are interested in this, you can read the Human Rights Watch report on the subject, entitled, “Denying Ethnic Identity: The Macedonians of Greece.”
Now, while that’s probably too much or not enough background, we can all see that we (meaning, me) have stepped into a heated identity conflict. So let me address the question at hand: Do ethnic Macedonians exist?
I would argue that they do exist, just as much as any ethnicity exists. And how do I know? Have I tested their DNA? Time-traveled centuries back to canvass the region?
I obviously haven’t. And I don’t need to.
Ethnicity isn’t about shared DNA, or about how people were referred to 500 years ago. It is about a shared sense of identity and culture. The Macedonians certainly have that. The fact that they say they have that means they have that.
Furthermore, isn’t it a little disrespectful to tell people that they are wrong about who they are?
In my humble opinion, the first step towards Peace lies in trusting people to decide who and what they are. The only time an outsider should get involved in defining someone else’s identity is when that identity brings harm to someone or something else. (For a brilliant article on such negotiations, click here.)
And now, to answer the last part of the writer’s question:
am i only greek or i am macedonian also?
Honestly? I would say that, if you are a person living in a region with a long history of armies and peoples tromping across it, you could be a lot of things. You could be a lot of things, all at once, and not even know it. You could think you are one thing and be another entirely.
But it’s not nice to tell people who they are and it’s especially not nice to tell people they are wrong about who they are. So, whatever you say is fine with me.
(Stay Tuned.)





February 26th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Hi,Heather,
just to say thanks, from the Macedonians
from the Republic of Macedonia. I like your blog, not because it is about my country, but because of the way you think. As soon as I have more time, I will go through it more thoroughly.
All best,
Viktorija
February 26th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Your observations are good, and bring a lot of questions. For example, when a family is displaced, do they take their ethnicity with them? I think yes. I have a friend from Baghdad with a family that is now re-settling in Sweden. They will continue to think of themselves as Iraqi, even though the son wants to live in New Zealand when he finishes college. As Viktorija suggests, as soon as I have more time, I will think about it more thoroughly.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
My dearest Margot,
No one argues that they the family from Baghdad are Iraquies and feel that way too!
Let as make a hypothesis though:
Lets say that their son (after college) goes to settle in New Zeland and gets married to a French wife and start a happy family and have lots of children and so on…
After a few generations you meet a Blond French national in Paris who speaks French as native language and has been educated to be French.
No argue that his Great-Great.. grand father was Iraqui!!
Ask him how much Iraqui he feels!!
If he speaks Iraqui, thinks Iraqui and sares Iraqui education and ideals then no one could argue with him if he claimed to be one!!
If you find any of this to be true, then let us
now think the same way for Macedonians.
No argue that Macedonia extended to were Skopja is nowdays but does that justify ethnicity!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity
History and Geography (both greek words)are two different things.
Some times I think that we Greeks argue too much for our heritage but once you find yourself in Vergina in a sunny day at the museum nearby, stand face to face with the statue of Alexandros and ask him are you realy my relative?!!!!!!
Ofcourse you will not get an answer so here is a link with arguments.
http://truth.macedonia.gr/
I have just googled “Makedonia” and havent had the chance to check the site but let me know if it is enlighting!!!
March 13th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Yiannis–you are so right about the person with Iraqi great-great-great-grandparents. But that doesn’t answer the question about ethnicity. We need to figure out what is ethnicity, or even is there such a thing as ethnicity. The person with the Great Great Grandparents may not feel Iraqi, but some day someone may say to her, “The Iraqis had to leave their native land and that’s why your family ended up in France, and you should defend your Iraqi heritage,” and then that person feels bad and may even spend their whole life worrying about something that happened three generations ago. We see that all the time. So, again, so we take ethnicity with us? If not, why does it matter so much?
May 19th, 2008 at 6:47 am
I’m a bit late in reading all this… sorry.
Great issue to explore. :) I am thinking of devoting a bunch of WHPK shows next year to national identity. Let me know if you ever get to Chicago, we can talk about all this.
It’s good to trust people to decide who they are. Sometimes, though, people don’t really know themselves :). It’s not really the case with Macedonia, as I imagine. But it could be.
I myself, had a sort of an ethnic identity crisis when I went to Europe this winter (visited Belgrade, btw) and started wondering whether I was American or Russian… I still don’t know :).
Anyways, it’s always interesting to read what you write, so, keep writing!
July 4th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Greeks do not act fair, refusing to use people from Macedonia to name themeselves, as they wish to.
I am Polish, my wife is Ukrainian. Who is our son? I think both.And nobody can refuse my son to say: “I’m Polish” or “I am Ukrainian”. Both is true, regardless on wars we had with them.
And nobody can refuse to any person, or nation, to express they identity in words “I’m Macedonian”, if they feel so.